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Old 12-27-2011, 11:13 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Window sticker says "Projector Halogen Bi-Function Headlamps" under the standard equipment features, nothing about headlamps under the optional equipment portion.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:24 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the activity on this discussion. To all that have responded to my thread, do each of you have the optional xenon headlights? I do and am wondering if this is exclusive to the xenon's or is it for the halogens as well.
I have the projector Halogen Bi- Functional Head Lamps and Fog Lamps
looked this a/m and no condensation, its going to rain., so we will see.

Also taking car back to dealer Friday A/M-airbag light keeps coming on for
passenger seat. Have to keep putting it seat in upright position for it to go off,
and then at a certain point the light comes on again.
Dealer told me could be a wire, or bad air bag, said i would have to wait till they check it
out. Have to be there 7 a/m- they will diagnosis it. will let everyone know what happened with this.
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:15 PM   #33 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=justus901;1062689]I have the projector Halogen Bi- Functional Head Lamps and Fog Lamps
looked this a/m and no condensation, its going to rain., so we will see.

Also taking car back to dealer Friday A/M-airbag light keeps coming on for
passenger seat. Have to keep putting it seat in upright position for it to go off,
and then at a certain point the light comes on again.
Dealer told me could be a wire, or bad air bag, said i would have to wait till they check it
out. Have to be there 7 a/m- they will diagnosis it. will let everyone know what happened with this. [/QUOTEll

well took my car back this a/m- after 4 1/2 hours they tell me 1. Chrysler is aware of the headlight problem and does not have a solution at this time. (this is the GM if service dept. who had just been visiting this dealership. 2. The service guy tells me the air bag needs a wiring harness they think side aor bag and that may have to be replaced. or it may be the front and the dash would be ripped apart, but rest assure it will all look the same. then after i started getting upset he changed his story and now he has turned the light off so as not to have it go off. butttttt if your in an accident- well good luck to the passenger. Well this woman did not take this lightly. After letting it be know there is to much wrong with this car and i have it 20 days, there was no way they were going to do that and I would have to live with knowing the car was ripped apart. Thus service tech did not want to help me, that could be seen clearly.
He then goes to talk to the GM- STAY HERE@@@@@@ right!!!!! we went inside where there were about 5 tables of potential customers sitting with salesmen. I did not get loud but i was so upset I did start to cry- u could hear a pin drop in the place. after talking to a few people,
the GM came out and toldour salesman to take us to pick out another car- this had NOT been titled yet. well to make a long story short, we have a new car and yes the headlights have some condensation after they washed it. the other cars was just about gone-but i can live with it. I have it home, they want me to check it over good before we sign the papers tomorrow.
I did upgrade and get the 20 inch wheels, a bit harder ride but worth the look.
I have the best dealer in Fl. and no the car hadnot been titled yet so I know that helped along with this understanding and outstanding dealership.
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Projector Halogens here and lots of condensation problems.
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FYI for you guys...I was just at the dealership yesterday to get Roadblock installed (protective clear film on the front of the car) and while I was there I had them check out the lights. The service mgr emailed Chrysler and got a response instantly, a STAR Notice, which stated they are aware of the issue and that some condensation is normal. They also said to order dust covers for the vents holes. I asked what are dust covers going to for the condensation and the service mgr said the vent hole in these lights are allowing too much moisture in so these dust covers will hopefully prevent some moisture from getting in and cure the condensation issue. At least that's what Chrysler is hoping for....a cheap fix. It sounds logically so I will let you guys know when these dust covers come in and if they make any difference. Either way Chrysler is working on the problem.

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I had them for the first couple weeks, now they're gone and have been gone. And its gotten chilly (well for CA) down to ~36F at late night, and on my 35 min drive home nothing...

Knock on wood, its gone for me...
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When I was at the dealership they tried the highbeams ON with the bulb access caps OFF for 45 minutes and it did dry up.....BUT as soon as they pulled my car outside and the cold air and wind hit the lights the condensation built right up almost instantly again. It was kinda funny and sad at the same time...
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Condensation occurs whenever the temperature drops below the dew point of the air (e.g., fog on a cold night after a storm or near a body of water, moisture forming on the outside of a drink glass chilled with ice, fogging on the inner windshield on a cold morning after you get in and breathe a bit). So, the trick to avoiding condensation is to make the air as dry as possible, or keep the air moving over the warmest surface to prevent the water droplets from forming, or warm the air enough to raise the dew point for that side of the surface.

It's funny they'd take the time to dry out the inside of the light housing with the high beams on (warming the inner air volume), but then not close up the largest openings in the housing to keep the air as dry as possible inside afterwards. Condensation will always form on the warmest side of a surface if the air is moist enough. The condensation reformed afterwards because when the lights were turned off it sucked in the moist air through the housing's openings. Then, when you pulled out into the much colder air, it hit the lens surface condensing the moisture on the inner lens surface all over again. This also explains why driving a bit with the lights on clears the lens. Since heating the air inside the housing also raises its air pressure, I bet if the moisture drain holes had little thin flaps over them, or plugs with one-way flaps in them to let the air out with the moisture and temperature rise, but not back in after the air inside cools down, this problem would go away.

I wonder if a squirt of canned air in the inside of the housing after drying the air with the high beams, then quickly sealing the housing holes would be enough to stop this issue? Sealed beam headlights don't have this issue because the dried air is sealed inside when they're made.

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The solution for this issue is a simple one, however there will be a cost to Chrysler. Using the existing vent holes, snap in fittings with gaskets must be designed that would easily allow rubber tubing to be attached to plumb for fresh air delivery and circulation within the lenses. Whether this is accomplished by using vacuum from the engine, a small electric air pump, or by another means is up to Chrysler. Considering all the technology and development that went into this car , the condensation issue has become, "One of those mundane details that was overlooked" , and someones ass at Chrysler is now on the line for it. I would hate to be that guy right now. A solution will eventually come from Chrysler. On the positive side, condensation will not cause you to be stranded, so just be patient.
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I agree with everything you said the problem is, its not just fogging up, its serious condensation with pretty big waters droplets forming. The bigger water droplet are extremely hard to dry up and form way too easily. In my case driving with lights on does nothing for it. it just doesn't go away so far in 2 weeks of driving.
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