[dealerman]

I dont want to be the one to bust your bubble on your trade value, but before you were getting your "Discount," your trade value that you were seeing was not what you were actually getting. it is called an "overallowance" and is basically putting some of the profit on the car onto your trade allowance to make it look better for people concerned with trade value. Any good negotiator can buy a car for invoice, with or without a trade. Just concentrate on the difference to see where your best deal is.