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Old 02-26-2013, 01:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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@Jackwalton, you're correct it is indeed not a CRD. but a 3.5 V6 Fuel, I have checked the EVIC menu, and the info below is what I think from the fuel section, not sure what I can do there but:

MinL=181 MinR=181
Lt= 42 Rt= 41
18g Avg= 83

Is such codereader public available, like ODBII portreader? Or do i need to haul the car to the dealers? What will be costly, due it cannot be towed, but has to be put on a flatbed.

@UK CHRYSLER, Yes I did the keydance, but on a 3.5 V6, not a Hemi.

@Devilmaycare, pull fuse 11 in the engine bay for more then 30sec. Codes should be cleared. Correct me if I am wrong

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Old 02-26-2013, 02:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Fuel tank level indications are normal. I dont think the fault will be related to the 2 error codes that came up.

I assume youve checked the fuses in both boxes?

You do need a code reader though, otherwise you will struggle to find the fault.

They can be bought quite cheap on ebay. About £20 to £30. Problem would be the time waiting to get one delivered though.

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Okay, I will get a ODB reader, where I can read and reset codes. I assume that is what u mean?

Will there be anything different on such screen then the Keydance trick?

And I checked ( i believe ) all the fuses + relays.
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@Devilmaycare, pull fuse 11 in the engine bay for more then 30sec. Codes should be cleared. Correct me if I am wrong
Can somebody confirm if this will work on a CRD? I have heard of this fuse being pulled for reasons other than clearing codes.


It does seem odd that DTCs can be cleared by removing power from a module. Presumably, the same effect could be achieved by disconnecting the battery? Many of the maintenance operations in the workshop manual require battery disconnection at the start, but nowhere is it suggested to first check for DTCs before they are cleared. It doesn't seem to make any sense to store DTCs in volatile memory.

Tried this fuse 11 "trick" today, but as I predicted, does not clear DTCs.

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Okay, I will get a ODB reader, where I can read and reset codes. I assume that is what u mean?

Will there be anything different on such screen then the Keydance trick?

And I checked ( i believe ) all the fuses + relays.
I can't say for sure that there will be any other codes but I would have thought there should be.

You could check camshaft and crankshaft sensor if you cant get quick access to a OBD code reader. But as I say you can see the speedometer increase when engine is turning over so the crank sensor may be OK.

I dont suppose its got contaminated or the wrong fuel in ??

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Dont think it's the fuel or contaminated, the evening before I took it for a 30min drive.. And back, no issues or such.

Can it be the oem alarm that is stuck? That it doesnt allow it to spark .. ?
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Got the video link up. I'm sorry car not working, you need to get the trouble codes read

In the meantime you could recheck the big fuses again and the one in the trunk next to the battery and relays/cold start relay switch if its got one

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Dont think it's the fuel or contaminated, the evening before I took it for a 30min drive.. And back, no issues or such.

Can it be the oem alarm that is stuck? That it doesnt allow it to spark .. ?
Yes could easily be an OEM anti theft device because that would be unlikely to bring up trouble codes up either.

So could be worth while checking that out
Have you got the information to by-pass the OEM security system ??


Just wondered why you had an OEM security system fitted ??
Obviously not contaminated fuel if you drove home OK. And unlikely to be any fuel problem if you got home without any spluttering.
Likely to be electrical side.


Good luck sorting it out.

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it wont be the OE alarm/immobiliser,when that kicks in it won't even turn over.......I know....twice

I didn't know what engine you had,I just guessed it was a CRuD
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You could try removing the ASD (Auto shut down) relay temporarily and short out the 2 contact pins in the base where you removed the relay from. This would only be a temporary check to see if it will start.
I cant remember the pin numbers off hand but if you want to try it let me know and i will dig the info out.

If the ASD relay is in the wrong position , it will not start.


Pin numbers to short out are 30 and 87 on ASD Relay. The ASD relay should energise for a few seconds when ignition is set to "RUN". The relay should then energise again if many conditions are met as checked by the PCM. Some of the main things being, acceptable crankshaft and camshaft sensor signals.

The ASD relay ensures that the fuel pump and ignition system is shut down in the event of an accident or overboost pressure, or simply when the ignition key is turned off to shut engine down.

MAP and MAF sensors can also prevent engines starting (just unplug the sensors one at a time to eliminate)

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