Drifting Arab Style ????

[DaveW68]

Originally Posted by Tork Monster

There has long been a lot of support for Isreal from the United States. I believe THIS set the stage, as there is a lot of hate towards Isreal in the Middle East.
Then we actually invade a country to overthrow the government. Now THAT's gonna help our popularity a bunch...

I want to just say that too often the people from one country hate the people from another country for what the leaders of that country do. The attack of the World Trade Center Towers had nothing to do with the Muslim religion, or the general population in the Middle East, and the American people had little to do with invading Iraq.

I support our troops 100%, and yet I am appalled at some of the decisions of "W" our leader. If we had stopped at Afganistan I believe we would be in a much better position in the world, and there would be less hatred and thousands fewer deaths. I think W really screwed up on that one.

I have to disagree Tork. It's easy to point the finger at one person (Bush) and say that all of the problems in the world are his fault. While I definitely don't agree with all of Bush's policies, he only holds a small part of the blame for the perceived cluster-f#ck in Iraq. People in this country and around the world have extremely short attention spans, and the Democratic party and leaders of liberal nations are exploiting that short attention span. People seem to forget that there was intelligence coming from all parts of the world that Saddam had WMD's. And don't forget that congress voted overwhelmingly to invade Iraq. I have absolutely no doubt that Saddam had WMD's even up to the war. Why did he work so hard to keep the inspectors out? I also believe that the WMD's are still there, except hidden very well, or worse, in the hands of the terror supporting countries. Make no mistake, they will be found. Just hopefully not by the wrong people. And Iraq, although in turmoil, is better off without that ruthless piece of sh#t and his 2 sons who killed their own people for sport.

I do agree that Israel is the root for the hatred towards the US from the Muslim world. Unfortunately, Israel has such a strong bull headed lobby and so much money in this country that until we have leaders that have the balls to shun those lobbyists and their money, we are going to be in the mess for years to come. I'm not saying that we should just leave Israel to their own demise. But we don't need to be there for them for every freakin mess they get themselves into. It's time for them to start dealing with their own problems by themselves for a change.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by italianguy63

That's fair Spider... I was actually thinking about the monkey who is the leader of Iran. I'm sure he believes that the U.S. doesn't have the stomach to take him out too... unfortunately he may be correct. But, Iran has been a pain in our azz since the Carter administration. I wouldn't be against giving him a bit of redemption as well. I am tired of these folks like UBL, Al Sadr, the Taliban, etc.. etc.. etc... that have such a mindless following that they blow up 100's of their neighbors a day in the name of God. Watch the news... it's rediculous. And, no, I don't see Arabs coming out and denoucing it. On the contrary-- I hear nothing but people denoucing the US and "W" for what a buffoon he is (they may have that part right)... Our boys are dying daily to try to give Arabs "rights" and a better life. If we were really the Imperialist pigs they claim us to be-- Afganistan and Iraq would be the 51st and 52nd states right now-- and gas wouldn't be $3.00 a gallon.

Hi again , Okay I don't want to keep this issue for so long and I'll wrap it up by saying that me myself I hate the folks you mentioned (UBL, Al Sadr, the Taliban) for killing innocent people all over the world and most of our leaders and religious leaders as well denounced what happened at 11/9 and that's when people started understanding terrorism and how bad it is, I was in favor of America fighting Taliban in Afghanistan because they are a threat to all humankind and the Objective of the War on Iraq is really great but it turned to be a very big mess in the whole region. Anyway as I saw on Saturday Night Live "W" declined having Iraq as the 51st state because it would be very hard to dig tunnels for the illegal immigrants

Hope everything is cool between us bro

Note: Iran is not an Arab country

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Camel XTC-R

first of all im glad this is turning into a civilized two way conversation its always good to hear from the other side without ignorant name calling...

Spider al kaida started way back in the 80s to fight the communists in Afghanistan, when that finished they started to regroup to fight for palestinians they are growing prity fast underground in all arab countries cos they dont see any other way to solve the problem.. 99.9% of us me included think it should be done peacefully thru dialoge and more peace talks...

NOW HERES WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND WTF DOSE THE USA HAVE TO DO WITH ALL THIS MESS WE HAVE NO BEEF WITH THE USA.

Yeah I know that bro but look at it this way, the US aided Al Qaida in their war against communists and then they hit America, and Sadam was supported by the US in his war against Iran and then he did the same thing, and that's also why Iran hates America this much ... An now America is 100% supporting Israel so they might just do the same as the previous guys did ... what can stop them from doing that ??? they have money, weapons, technology and they're F***** united unlike us .