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Old 06-25-2006, 09:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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89 OCTANE $4.50 per gallon in Toronto Canada. $1.00 per liter
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Old 06-25-2006, 10:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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$3.14 per gallon for 93 octane premium where I live in MD.
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Old 06-25-2006, 11:47 PM   #23 (permalink)
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can u find out what octane fuel grade this is? we deal with 87-93 octane in the US.
JeDiHemi, here is a blurb on LPG. It does sound incredibly cheap but you need to consider that a conversion costs around A$2,300, the engine produces less power and uses about 30% more than it would on Petrol (US Gas). LPG equipped vehicle need a pressure tank which takes up a lot of space and which must be tested every 10 years too.

Here is some reference material, extract below, from this web site:
http://www.world-petroleum.org/education/lpg/

LPG is a mixture of light hydrocarbons which are gaseous at normal temperatures and pressures, and which liquefy readily at moderate pressures or reduced temperature. It is odourless and so, for safety reasons, a pungent compound, ethyl mercaptan, is added to make any leaks easily detectable.

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The main component gases of LPG are:

* Propane (C3H8)
* Butane (C4H10)



LPG occurs naturally in crude oil and natural gas production fields and is also produced in the oil refining process.

LPG was first used as a portable fuel source as early as the mid 19th century. The first LPG cylinders were imported into Australia in the late 1930s. In the '50s and '60s the Australian LPG market was based on the limited supplies available from refineries. However, this changed when in 1969-70 Esso and BHP began oil and gas production from Bass Strait, providing ample supplies.

Annual production is around 5760 Megalitres (ML) from combined natural sources and refinery production. Of this approximately 55 per cent is used in Australia and 45 per cent exported. Today LPG accounts for about 9 per cent of Australia's total fuel energy needs, including petrol and diesel, with annual retail sales amounting to more than $1 billion.

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Today Bass Strait produces over 40 per cent of Australia's LPG. In 1997 this amounted to 2,232ML. Other important sources are the Cooper Basin and the refineries. In mid 1995 the North West Shelf came on stream and is now producing approximately 1,000 ML annually.

Consumption

Australia consumes about 3,700 ML of LPG each year. Of that, industry accounts for about 58%.

Main users are residential (cooking and heating), commercial/industrial (as fuel), autogas (instead of petrol) and petrochemical (as raw material).

More than 565,000 motorists run on LPG. Over 600,000 households use LPG as a major energy source, but 4 million households have LPG cylinders for barbecues or camping.

With easy access to ample local supplies, Victoria is the main user state, accounting for about 53 per cent of Australia's annual consumption.

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Motor octane number (MON) 95.4
Research octane number (RON) 100

Butane
Motor octane number (MON) 89
Research octane number (RON) 92

The Mix

Motor vehicles run on propane or a mixture of propane and butane. Propane and butane are gases at atmospheric pressure and temperature but can easily be liquefied for storage by an increase in pressure. The most common blend by volume is 60 per cent propane to 40 per cent butane. Industry uses propane or butane and the petrochemical industry may use both as a feedstock. Households use only propane.
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Old 06-26-2006, 12:12 AM   #24 (permalink)
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wow... okay, so how do u figure out how much octane that is for the most common 60/40 mix?
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Old 06-26-2006, 12:16 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Prices are dropping here....

They came down .09 cents yesterday.... 87 octane 2.84, 89 octane 2.94, and 91 octane 3.04... Woot!!!

This means that Sam's Club is 2.84 for 91 octane.. Even better.
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wow... okay, so how do u figure out how much octane that is for the most common 60/40 mix?
JediHemi, well I don't know but I guess we could both do the sums (math) and compare

I reckon 94 Octane on a very rough calculation.
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1.00 Or 1.05 A Litre. Petro Canada Silver Gas
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Old 06-26-2006, 09:18 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Prices have started to come down here as well. Costco $2.98 for 93
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