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Old 11-13-2006, 02:13 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I have to add my .02 here...

From what youre saying the reason the engine blew is because there was water in the engine.

On the Kenne Bell intakes for Mustangs, the tubing goes into the fenderwell and the air filter sits down by the fog light. That can range from 3" to 6" off the ground and they all know thats it stupid to drive through puddles and risk getting water in their motor.

So if you knew how low the air filter was, why are you driving through puddles?

Adding the supercharger to the car is safe only if youve got a good tune. Im sure the 6.1 could easily handle 600+rwhp with the right tune.

Sucks no less and im sorry it happened, but thats driver error and im surprised the dealership is paying anything for this.
as said there are some valid points! - but totally nmot the point.
I live in Scotland so rains quite alot here, whether you drive with the rain on your bumper or go through puddles being 1mm deep or 6inches deep is going to do the exact same- its going to suck up water watever you do!

I agree - the car is a 6.1 v8 - with 435 standard - bolting on a supercharger giving around 10% gain on your engine should not make any difference but it has! im surprised esp because the majority of the time when you re map an ecu your looking at adding 25 - 45% increase on your engine alone!
so this is not due to drivers error by any means!

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Old 11-13-2006, 02:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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What exactly is failing on these engines with the GSM kits?

Looking at it from an outsider's perspective, if the cars are sucking up water, then it could be due to a few different reasons. The way I see it:

1) The kit is of poor design and has the air filter too low to the ground, causing it to suck up water. The likelihood of this is about a 20% chance.

2) The operator of the vehicles are riding through deeper puddles without considering the fact that the inlet for the supercharger is too low. This I give about a 20% chance.

3) When designing the kit, GSM didn't take into account owners lowering the vehicles, and fabricated the inlet of the supercharger to reside at stock ride height.

In my opinion, it is probably a combination of all three of the above, IF that is the only failure seen in the GSM kits.

Now, having said that, if you are seeing connecting rod failures that do not involve water, then it is the power level of the motor being exceeded. This is not a tuning nor a design issue. No amount of tuning can get around a broken rod when it's power level has been exceeded.

If the failure is in the pistons, then this could be due to poor tuning or due to an exceeded power level, but the former is much more likely than the latter.
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Old 11-13-2006, 03:11 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Many people's cars are blowing up due to the fuel system that comes with the kit and lack of tuning capability. Water is a lesser culprit. If you read around you'l get the picture...
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Old 11-13-2006, 03:11 PM   #34 (permalink)
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is GSM saying anything or have you gotten in contact with them? Sounds like they're gonna be Hennessey Jr Motorsports unless things change
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Old 11-13-2006, 03:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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is GSM saying anything or have you gotten in contact with them? Sounds like they're gonna be Hennessey Jr Motorsports unless things change
acualy hennessey covers his problems,take it from me
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Old 11-13-2006, 03:18 PM   #36 (permalink)
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These guys all try to get help and they blame the blowups on the drivers or installers. They system is completely flawed and needs to be addressed before SOLD or installed. I asked a memeber to explain what comes in the kit as far as fuel delivery enhancements and I knew right away where there would be potential for disaster without even seeing it for myself. Nevermind the lack of tuning capability. The kit is a mess from where I stand.
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Guy,

I hope you get the issue worked out asap and to your liking!!! Good luck bro!!

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Old 11-13-2006, 04:41 PM   #38 (permalink)
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GSM are good guys, they have tried helping me out to a certain extent, although i am going to be ont he phone to them alot more and demanding a lot help. The money issue isnt a problem, im not wanting the money back - it was a hard lesson, i knew and read of the problems but still tried it my self! sh*t happens - expensive lesson my hands up on that one.

the design and quality is fantastic but obviously still has a lot of work to perfect - when one kit destroyed an engine - GSM should have put astop on selling and checked out the flaws, they have an SRT SC as their own car and have admitted they have been through an engine themselves which made me question.

There are several things wrong - the pigyback ecu that goes with the kit causes the car to over rev - therefore putting a lot more pressure on the internals than it can cope with. it near enough deletes the rev limiter!

The design of the filter - whether its too low to the ground - yes ok lower cars could make a difference but to be honest if water is going to get suvked in through the filter, with the suction from the blower, its going to get taken in from any height

its just an unfortunate thing thing - its sad to see that GSM have been aware of it and just i guess gotten greedy and tried to get as many out there as quickly as possible, it sickens me to see businesses do this, ruins the sport for eveyone and causes major hassle that quite frankly i can not be bothered with!
its a learning curve for sure!

i wil be calling GSM and speaking to them directly and they will be listening...
some clients have a lot of persuation in different ways, and sadly they will see mine and my businesses ways

anyway! thanks again for the support and also i am sorry for everyone else who has had problems! i hope we can work together as well as GSM and try and resolve the problems so that people can enjoy their rides. With or without the chargers.

Guy
(sorry for some contradictions - i got angry half way through - but too me that makes sense in both ways)
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Well,
i come back on the forum with my head down

My solid built, well manufactured supercharger kit from GSM that i spoke so highly of - has failed!

My engine is blown up.

With stripping it down, and having my mechanics check over the engine (whats left of it - most came out my exhaust and out the bottom of the block.)

All my pistons and cond rods have blown!

After stripping further, we found a lot of water in my engine - therefore, water causing the con rods and pistons to cease and snap. NOT only that, it seems that the car has over revved - due to the piggy back ecu deleting my rev limiter!!

Thankfully we have managed to sort something out with chrysler and our garae here so we get the new engine, but we pay for the fitting!! I am so angry with GSM, all the horror stories are coming out about these kits now!

The water got into the engine because of the poor positioning of the air filter. every puddle you go through, up sucks the water. I have seen this on sever porsches with after market filters also!

so just now, we are trying to source a new SRT engine (which chrysler dont sell as a whole) and ancilleries to get my standard SRT back to factory.

Its a very sad day when this happens, thankfully i was only going 30 mph.

a very depressed and angry Scottish boy!

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If I'm reading this right your blaming the kit for hydrolocking the motor??
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If I'm reading this right your blaming the kit for hydrolocking the motor??
did you read all the post's on this tread?
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