Could, in theory, but in practice, it appears not to. First ESP mod out there, folks ran back to back, never seemed to be any conclusive evidence. There were estimates of .4, but those estimates were never backed up.
Could, in theory, but in practice, it appears not to. First ESP mod out there, folks ran back to back, never seemed to be any conclusive evidence. There were estimates of .4, but those estimates were never backed up.
So let me ask you, what do you personally think about the ESP mod? From what I am gathering from you, it doesn't appear that the mod warrants you anything over what you can do by simply hitting the button and disabling ESP. I'm sure some will say different, just trying to get different takes on it. Is there any definitive proof that the mod gains you something, not anecdotal proof either. I mean consistent E.T. improvements, etc?
I have been comtemplating on buying the $50 noesp.com mod but didn't know if it's worth it, it really does look like it's more trouble than it's worth.
At this point I would rather sink the cash into a 180 thermostat
Just to back up moddog, I was there when he did it. I ran my car right after his and put up 305.xx HP and 315.xx Torque. My car had a K&N CAI and SLP catback at the time.
Just to back up moddog, I was there when he did it. I ran my car right after his and put up 305.xx HP and 315.xx Torque. My car had a K&N CAI and SLP catback at the time.
Well now you're the second one with a basically stock 300c to pull over 300RWHP, I am liking the sound of this.
Just curious, were you in Auto-Stick mode for your run or AOD? Not sure if it would make a difference or not.
I was thinking the vast majority of these cars SHOULD be pulling 290ish RWHP, don't know enough about them yet, however, anything less seems like a lot of lost HP to me.
Now since you're saying you both pulled 300+ RWHP, I'm sure people are going to start to question these numbers a bit. Atmosphere, Dyno gear, etc...
Anyway, nice car, I am liking what I am reading about these cars.
Just to back up moddog, I was there when he did it. I ran my car right after his and put up 305.xx HP and 315.xx Torque. My car had a K&N CAI and SLP catback at the time.
Hmmm...Having one in the population land outside 3 standard deviations is something that is a statistical anomaly but predictable. Having two in the population falling outside 3 standard deviations is borderline impossible. Having both with the same sign steps into the surreal. Having both occur one right after the next on the same day in the same place is just too much. Remembering your race with another almost stock C owner and trading victories pretty much proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the dyno that day was out of calibration. Sorry.
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Hmmm...Having one in the population land outside 3 standard deviations is something that is a statistical anomaly but predictable. Having two in the population falling outside 3 standard deviations is borderline impossible. Having both with the same sign steps into the surreal. Having both occur one right after the next on the same day in the same place is just too much. Remembering your race with another almost stock C owner and trading victories pretty much proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the dyno that day was out of calibration. Sorry.
I would agree with the Dyno being out of calibration, but the standard deviation stuff is highly subjective.
As far as going faster, no, I dont thing that mod will make you faster. If you believe, like some do, that a burnout on street tires makes yo faster, theres that benefit. Me, I dont think thats true.
Donuts and such, if your into them. I have an SRT, and feel no need for any mod Rarely turn it to Disable, mostly just off. About the standard deviation, thats only sublective if you dont have any data points. The more samples you have, the more accurate your deviation is. And we have lots of samples of stock 5.7 cars. I've been watching them float by for over two years now, here, at LXforums, and Chargerforums. Thats lots of cars
Cpl, we're not doubting the numbers he got. Dynos are what they are. I fully believe that his plot shows that. Would it show that on another dyno, who knows. Were there any other stock cars there?
Hmmm...Having one in the population land outside 3 standard deviations is something that is a statistical anomaly but predictable. Having two in the population falling outside 3 standard deviations is borderline impossible. Having both with the same sign steps into the surreal. Having both occur one right after the next on the same day in the same place is just too much. Remembering your race with another almost stock C owner and trading victories pretty much proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the dyno that day was out of calibration. Sorry.
Completely agree with you here Bruce. It's unfortunate, although more than likely 99.9999% accurate. We've seen the anomaly pop up once in a while, but this doesn't seem right. Have either of you taken it to a different shop with a DynoJet?
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Midnightsun is right about his statistics, but maybe wrong in assuming that dataset is statistically significant. We aren't referring to a statistically tested set of data where we can make all those assumptions about standard deviations are we?
Regardless, two 5.7's dyning 300+ rwhp lead me to believe too that it's just a higher-reading dyno. Unless you guys have the trap speeds to prove it.
I also don't know why one would think 270-280 rwhp is bad...a 20% driveline loss is pretty standard for an automatic.
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Rarely turn it to Disable, mostly just off. About the standard deviation, thats only sublective if you dont have any data points. The more samples you have, the more accurate your deviation is. And we have lots of samples of stock 5.7 cars. I've been watching them float by for over two years now, here, at LXforums, and Chargerforums. Thats lots of cars
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