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Old 12-16-2004, 10:44 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Hey Dave, since you are a brake man. Isn't that the oddest placement for a rear brake setup on the SRT-8?
It looks to be in almost the same position as the rear brakes on the "normal" 300C. Perhaps it is clocked about 15 degrees CCW from the 300C's brakes. That doesn't seem very odd to me.

Are you really asking why the front calipers are trailing (meaning aft of the wheel centerline) whereas the rear calipers are leading (meaning forward of the wheel centerline)? That is an unusual combination. Most cars either have both calipers leading or both calipers trailing.

The location of the calipers is usually dictated by the configuration of suspension components. Ideally, the calipers would be at either the 3:00 or the 9:00 positions, since this minimizes the occurance of pad knockback due to wheel bearing deflection under heavy sideloads. In English, this means you can go through a series of hard S-turns at the track and then not have your brake pedal sink down further than normal next time you step on it. Sometimes the suspension design forces the brakes to be clocked into a less than ideal position.

If you locate the caliper near the top position, say at 12:00, then you better design the car with hefty wheel bearings or the thing will have nasty knockback problems. For example, the Subaru WRX STi and the Nissan 350Z Track Model both have significant knockback issues when you put sticky tires on them and drive them on a race track.

Here's some good background information on knockback: http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/knockback.htm
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Old 12-16-2004, 03:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I think the block is supposed to be painted orange .... like older hemi's were .... something along those lines ...

This is all great to hear ... and great pics too ....

I'll take a silver one!
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I think the block is supposed to be painted orange .... like older hemi's were .... something along those lines ...

This is all great to hear ... and great pics too ....

I'll take a silver one!
Yep...

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Old 12-16-2004, 06:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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It looks to be in almost the same position as the rear brakes on the "normal" 300C. Perhaps it is clocked about 15 degrees CCW from the 300C's brakes. That doesn't seem very odd to me.

Are you really asking why the front calipers are trailing (meaning aft of the wheel centerline) whereas the rear calipers are leading (meaning forward of the wheel centerline)? That is an unusual combination. Most cars either have both calipers leading or both calipers trailing.

The location of the calipers is usually dictated by the configuration of suspension components. Ideally, the calipers would be at either the 3:00 or the 9:00 positions
Hey Dave, put your glasses on and take another look see. He-He! That rear brake is no where centered near 3 or 9 O-Clock like most cars! That rear SRT-8 brake is center about 7 O-Clock.

Also about placement. Maybe it is a Mercedes thing! Mostly Mercedes cars have both brakes either inside or outside. Inside meaning the front and rear brakes (per side) are between the rocker panels (side skirts) or outside which is both facing the bumper overhangs per side.

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how much do the SRT-8 run?

No price set yet. Price will probably be released in January or February.
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Old 12-17-2004, 01:44 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Isn't it a small world. It seems that several of us "Old" Impala SS folks are moving to the 300C scene. We met at Dave Zemels home in Bloomington, Il several years ago when you had a brake clinic going on in his garage. It’s a shame that GM (Chevrolet) has lost us since they no longer build what we want. I enjoyed your writings about the 96 several years ago and I will be looking forward to your going through this car and your updates on it as you go. Are you starting to plan on going to Detroit next summer when the Merc’s, Impalas and 300’s get together? If you are I’ll see you there. In the mean time, stay in touch.

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Yes indeed it is geting to be an even smaller world. That would be Scott Muller from "The HERD" (Chicago Land Impala group). Toothdoc, Where are you located now? Are you still in the Bloomington area?
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Hey Dave, put your glasses on and take another look see. He-He! That rear brake is no where centered near 3 or 9 O-Clock like most cars! That rear SRT-8 brake is center about 7 O-Clock.
I realize you're teasing me. But to clarify. I said the SRT8 rear caliper is approximatly in the same location (perhaps 15 degrees CCW) of the 300C rear caliper. I didn't say that EITHER caliper was in the ideal 3:00 or 9:00 position.

I'm putting the rear StopTech brake kit on my 300C right after I eat lunch. I'll take some photos to see if it's obvious why they oriented the calipers the way they did.
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I'm putting the rear StopTech brake kit on my 300C right after I eat lunch. I'll take some photos to see if it's obvious why they oriented the calipers the way they did.
We like pictures *hint hint*
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I realize you're teasing me. But to clarify. I said the SRT8 rear caliper is approximatly in the same location (perhaps 15 degrees CCW) of the 300C rear caliper. I didn't say that EITHER caliper was in the ideal 3:00 or 9:00 position.
Conventional yes, optimal - not necessarily. Factor in heat disipation/cooling, center of gravity, dircection of rotor spinning, ducting accessibility to brakes, etc. Why is 3 or 9 "optimal"?

Purpose built F1 racing cars have seen them placed at the conventional 3 or 9 but also at the 6 (ferrari), 7 (mclaren), and 10 (jag).

Maybe the R&D department inside of dalmier/chrysler picked up some tricks from the McLaren/Mercedes partnership that they've applied to the SRT.

Or, maybe it's just plain wierd for another reason you'll discover when you pull it apart. ;-)

Other than convention - what is the main purpose that 3 or 9 is optimal?
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