Turbo vs Supercharger

[cymbrk]

trying to decide which to get...couldnt find a thread that compares...would like to know what people are running/numbers and why they chose what they did....
THANKS in advance...OH YEA looking into the STS rear mounted turbos....if anybody has any thoughts

[yamabob]

I would think the turbos are the way to go. No parasidic lose . I can't remember the member,but someone here has the STS twin's. WOW.

[jamesdtuttle]

Originally Posted by cymbrk

trying to decide which to get...couldnt find a thread that compares...would like to know what people are running/numbers and why they chose what they did....
THANKS in advance...OH YEA looking into the STS rear mounted turbos....if anybody has any thoughts

I have waxed enthusiastic about both. Hellion has a new turbo kit that mounts up front, and the STS you're aware of.

In superchargers, my two favorites are Kenne Bell and Vortech. I like the Vortech because it has the best "out of the box" tune. I like the Kenne Bell because they advertise the highest horsepower gains on a stock block. Their website FAQs are well worth reading.

So far my nod is to the Vortech. By the time I actually buy it it may be something different.

[xsivtork]

I have had experiance with STS turbo systems, and yes they work awesome. So awesome the first motor expired within a week? It ended up being the tune, it was to lean. But sts never recomended anything for the engine such as injectors etc... It was a bolt on plug and play. Customer service was awfull. like really bad. Overall the product was good. Now this was a while back and it was on atrans am ws6. So maybe they have improved since then? But the system did work, infact it had no lag at all, it actually made like 1 psi of boost at idle, probably becuase of the velocity of exhaust travelling to the back of the car. Anyway it worked awesome, car dyno'd at over 500hp. Just needed better tuning and injectors and the morotr would have been fine.

[marnepup]

Superchargers are cheaper, hurt your fuel efficiency, and require a lot more maintenance. Did I mention cheaper? Yeah, that's the primary reason people use them instead of turbos...oh, there is the argument about turbo lag, but that one's about as outdated as the argument that an average driver can outshift an automatic transmission. Maybe the first few generations of them, but not recently. Turbo lag is far less problematic than it used to be (especially if you get a high stall TC, to get in the powerband muchly more quicklier), so it really comes down to price. Turbos cost a lot more, but they actually ADD fuel efficiency, and they require less maintenance. You'll get good gains from either one. So the question isn't "how fast do you want to go," it's "how cheap do you want to go fast," and "can you be relied on to perform routine maintenance on a supercharger?"

[cymbrk]

thanks everyone....and MARNEPUP that was the straight forward answer i was looking for haha

thanks

[Someguys300c]

Originally Posted by cymbrk

thanks everyone....and MARNEPUP that was the straight forward answer i was looking for haha

thanks

unfortunately it was a bs answer, that was skewed strictly for his unexplainable love of turbos. not sure where anyone would get the idea that S/C's kill gas mileage?? considering that one of their main benefits is added fuel mileage. and also, what is the maintenance you have to do?? take 5min to change a drivebelt once every few years?? the new vortech blowers, are a self lubricated unit. so you would have to change the oil in it every few years as well. id rather do either of those tasks, than have to remove a turbo for a rebuild.


bottom line is, it pretty much comes down to your personal preference. either system will offer relatively equal power gains, and fulel mileage. turbos, will cost more, and be a bigger PITA to install. but you get the mythical benefit, of no parasitic drag. the systems nowadays, have done a good job of engineering out any lag.

as far as i know, vortech still offers the safest canned tune. which was the reason i chose it, when i was picking an FI.

so if you want the "cool" factor of turbos. and you dont mind paying extra for it. then go for the turbo kit. but if you are on a bit of a budget, and you just want a car that makes crazy power, then go for the S/C. neither system has more pros or cons than the other. so it all comes down to personal preference.

[UK CHRYSLER 300C]

what about the part throttle issues with the vortech I've heard about? have they cured it?

[Jected]

Originally Posted by marnepup

Superchargers are cheaper, hurt your fuel efficiency, and require a lot more maintenance. Did I mention cheaper? Yeah, that's the primary reason people use them instead of turbos...oh, there is the argument about turbo lag, but that one's about as outdated as the argument that an average driver can outshift an automatic transmission. Maybe the first few generations of them, but not recently. Turbo lag is far less problematic than it used to be (especially if you get a high stall TC, to get in the powerband muchly more quicklier), so it really comes down to price. Turbos cost a lot more, but they actually ADD fuel efficiency, and they require less maintenance. You'll get good gains from either one. So the question isn't "how fast do you want to go," it's "how cheap do you want to go fast," and "can you be relied on to perform routine maintenance on a supercharger?"

Cheaper??? Hurt fuel economy?? Require a lot more maintainence? I beg to differ on most points you make. But lets get one think sorted first though. Blowers are awesome and heaps of fun and to date I have not seen figures on a 300 greater than my setup with as you put a cheap unreliable setup. I do though believe turbo setups are just as great and setup properly on a big banger setup, will outpower any FI setup hands down. Why did I not go this way then, a build is never finished lets just say that: Like for like though (and I am talking off the shelf units, each and every FI setup on our car (standard) will produce the same results. There is a limit to what can be achieved. And remember everything has a price and everything can be made to reach the desired outcome.

Originally Posted by cymbrk

trying to decide which to get...couldnt find a thread that compares...would like to know what people are running/numbers and why they chose what they did....
THANKS in advance...OH YEA looking into the STS rear mounted turbos....if anybody has any thoughts

It all depends on what you are looking for and ultimately want to achieve with the car. Will it be kept standard or will it be built up over time. You can always have one setup out perform the other however on a stock motor either can be just as good. The old saying is that it does come down to how well it is tuned. Myself I wanted the old school look of the blower on the 300 hence the reason going a twin screw. I do get bored easily (but won;t be for a looooong while) and if I do change it up a little I would consider a twin turbo setup (may even keep the blower as well LOL!).

Originally Posted by Someguys300c

unfortunately it was a bs answer, that was skewed strictly for his unexplainable love of turbos. not sure where anyone would get the idea that S/C's kill gas mileage?? considering that one of their main benefits is added fuel mileage. and also, what is the maintenance you have to do?? take 5min to change a drivebelt once every few years?? the new vortech blowers, are a self lubricated unit. so you would have to change the oil in it every few years as well. id rather do either of those tasks, than have to remove a turbo for a rebuild.

bottom line is, it pretty much comes down to your personal preference. either system will offer relatively equal power gains, and fulel mileage. turbos, will cost more, and be a bigger PITA to install. but you get the mythical benefit, of no parasitic drag. the systems nowadays, have done a good job of engineering out any lag.

as far as i know, vortech still offers the safest canned tune. which was the reason i chose it, when i was picking an FI.

so if you want the "cool" factor of turbos. and you dont mind paying extra for it. then go for the turbo kit. but if you are on a bit of a budget, and you just want a car that makes crazy power, then go for the S/C. neither system has more pros or cons than the other. so it all comes down to personal preference.

Couldn't agree more. Like for like the setups will be around the same price from what I have seen (Turbo vs Blower) its only when you start looking at systems not off the shelf that price becomes an issue (for either setup). Price definitely wasn't a deciding factor in my build and I can safely safe my setup was not cheap.

Originally Posted by UK CHRYSLER 300C

what about the part throttle issues with the vortech I've heard about? have they cured it?

Any good tuner can tune for this. From what I am told it can be done with Diablo custom tuning software, you just need to know where to look. HP/F can tune for this but I know it takes a bit to get it right.

[UK CHRYSLER 300C]

Originally Posted by Jected

Any good tuner can tune for this. From what I am told it can be done with Diablo custom tuning software, you just need to know where to look. HP/F can tune for this but I know it takes a bit to get it right.

thats why I havent bought one yet,I need someone who has the vortech fitted and had the tunes done and has had no issues,when I find these people thats when I will buy the S/C