Ride Quality with 22" or 20" Wheels

[mjkinga]

Originally Posted by K Hamlet

Yes, here is a pic. Currently at the westcoast for the 4th. Went down and took you a picture.

Let me know what you think.

Not 2 bad but kind of blah (plain). Sorry I just love alot of flash that's why it's taking me so long to pick out mine.

[mjkinga]

I don't know what else to say but, DAMN! I felt like I was living your story and if you aren't a saleman then you should be because I'm absolutely sold with 22" inch wheels. It took me nearly 10 minutes for the blood to flow back to my other head to regain posture. (thank god noone came in while I was reading it.) If anyone could sum it up any better.....nope...nope, no one could say it any better. Hat's off my friend. Can't wait to see the pics.

[E55 KEV]

Originally Posted by BCole8888

If I decide to go with something bigger than 19", what other parts of the car would need to be upgraded to accomodate the weight? Shocks, springs, brakes? I guess if the shocks and brakes are just going to wear out faster that is not a big deal. If having bigger heavier wheels creates some sort of safety issue then that is another matter.

Tuning and all things Bling gets expensive and when your done you might come to the conclusion that you could have purchased the 300C Hemi or 300C SRT8 from the start. Replacing shocks and springs is minimal, but big wheels sometime require bigger brakes and the cost of putting some Brembo or Stop Tech brakes, if they make them for the V6 models, is really expensive like $6k for front and back. I doubt those running 22's on the V6 300's pay attention to the longer stopping distance and as a stated earlier may not even notice.

[Machinator ®]

Originally Posted by freakyshiat

Sorry, for some reason I thought i posted in the wrong thread and edited my post.

Here are the pics. The Wheels were purchased from one of the site sponsors GS Motorsports. I bought the wheels, tires mounted/balanced with TPM. Offset info is not known.

i couldn't find those wheels @ GS Motorsports
can u help me in this
the wheels looks great man, thanx for da pic's

[BOBBY T]

Originally Posted by Tibbs

We spent an entire afternoon putting the "20s or 22s?" question to a real world test. I took my 300C to a friend's wheelshop where we planned to swap spin, and drive with three different sets of wheels until we found the right look and ride combination.

I have to tell you that going in I was biased toward the 20s, I like having some rubber between the asphault and my wheel investment and the look of the 300C prototype was perfectly suited to my tastes.

Therefore we put a set of 20" Helo Wedge's on and took her round the block. WOW. The stock Continentals just plain suck, and unfortunately it takes the act of replacing them to truly realize what a pathetic waste of rubber tree plant they are. The handling was immediately improved, the up and down ride did not seem to change whatsoever. Very smooth. We saw some railroad tracks and accelerated (might as well!) and...OOOMPH...regretted doing so. Ouch. Yeah, you can feel the terrain alright. Still, the road divot to spinal column reaction was more than compensated for by the 100% improvement in steering feel. Did I mention the Continentals suck?

The 20s looked fantastic in comparison to the stock 18s. No contest. I was sold. Wrap em up!

But...for the sake of investigation, we put some tires on the 22 Helo Wedge's (by hand!) and after some blood, sweat and beers we had them up and mounted. Then we slowly lowered my black beauty back down to earth...

This is the moment when the heavens part, angels sing in harmony, and the entire service bay is showered in glowing light. Oh My GOD. That's MY car!?! There are moments in life when you know you've struck gold. Finding a ball with the sweet spot of the bat, feeling the laces hit your hands as you catch the game winning touchdown with two seconds to spare, or opening the mail and discovering you could be the winner of ONE MILLION DOLLARS! Yeah, it felt like that. In one act of brutal knuckle smashing effort, my vehicle vaulted in assumed worth by about twenty grand. This beast looked as if it had just chewed through its leash and broken down the gates of hell.

20s? We don't need no stinking 20s.

We immediately hit the street...literally...there is a 3" lip from the driveway to the street and we landed with the subtletly of an elephant bungee jumping on Saturn. Once on the road the car felt like it would take a crane, four story tall gorilla, or a violent act of God to dislodge the car from the pavement. Corners soon became the equivalent of yellow lights, just an excuse to accelerate. We approached an intersection where waiting for us was a dealer plated BMW 5 series. The two guys inside (I am assuming salesman and dupe) were so caught up in staring down this mystery vehicle next to them, they missed the light changing green.

So I don't count smoking them by a block length as any kind of race victory. But it felt great!

If acceleration and braking are affected by the 22s, I couldn't feel it. Frankly, even when the familiar railroad tracks repositioned my vertebrae and teeth, I was so blissfully ignorant, so awash in glory, so freakin excited about how the car handled and looked...who cares! I'll hire a chiropractor and get dental insurance. You only notice the "tha-thump" when you hit a bad pothole, exposed railroad track, or the 3" lip of a wheelshop driveway upon return. That one hurt.

The third set of rims was by MKW...I think they were MK-14s. We didn't bother with putting tires on them. Test over. SOLD! 22s it is. Helo Wedge. I'll have pics up in the next few days.

To give you an example of how drastically this alters the vehicle: We spent this past week in Sedona Arizona, just a hop skip and an hour's drive from our home. Beautiful red rock scenery, one of those rare places you can sit and stare at for hours on end...until I drive by in the Wicked Witch of the Southwest (as my children affectionately call it). We stopped to hike Bell Rock, and when we returned to the car there was a group of Japanese tourists taking turns getting their picture taken...with my car. Not the big red mountain, the evil black car. Blew my mind. But everywhere...and I mean EVERYWHERE we stopped, people approached and asked what kind of car it was, how dis I like it, "my God sir you are driving my dream".

The best moment of the trip (aside from hikes and such) was when I pulled into a parking lot and parked (intentionally) next to a shiny black CTS-V. The owner of which was coming out of the store as I exited my vehicle. I hear an "excuse me" from behind, and a nice man approaches and asks "is this the new Chrysler?".

"Why yes, it's a 300C".

"WOW"...and his jaw drops, spilling drool all over the pavement. He adds "It's about time an American car company made a car this badass".

Just then the Cadillac owner, who overheard the entire exchange I'm sure, meekly squeezed into his wedge box and crept away. Oh the irony.

Of course he did glance at the wheels with raised eyebrows! Bwoohoohahahahahahaha!

Hey, I just wanted to know what size tires did you get with the 22's

[dipster]

not to beat a dead horse, but kev55/northern rider/jhelmuth could you chime in here for me:

I am thinking of getting the TIS07's for my 300C, but you're saying this is a bad idea? Granted the TIS07's will weigh more, and will be wider, so the mechanics are completely different, is this honestly too much for the C?

I understand what you're saying, but i see so many of these cars with 22's on them, but again, that isnt enough assurance for me to go buy them.

I know that the stock wheel/tire combo weighs 55/56 lbs, and im not sure how much heavier the TIS07's would be, since i cant seem to find the weight for them.

I drive the car daily, mostly highways on good roads. Sometimes i drive aggressively, and take corners fast, but for the most part im usually coasting around 75-80 to and from work.

Could you elaborate on why the bearings would need to be serviced more with a bigger rim? I must admit, I don't know much about the mechanical aspects of this.

The reason I want 22's is I just love the look of them, simple as that, but I don't want to destory my car in the process!


I appreciate all the input!

thanks!

[damigguds]

My ride quality on my 22" is very rough but love the look of it.

[E55 KEV]

Originally Posted by dipster

The reason I want 22's is I just love the look of them, simple as that, but I don't want to destory my car in the process!

That is the main and only reason for 22"s. Just like what damigguds says above also. Plus you will not be destroying your car just 'maybe' wearing it out a little quicker and stopping a little longer. Hell, you take less precautions with what you eat - because we all really know that Meat and Junk food slowly kills us and limits our days but we keep on eating the stuff don't we. It is our passion.

Just like buying a Convertible - you know that you will be history in a rollover because your neck can't support 3000 pounds - but you sure look good driving it with the top down.

Just go with your passion and accept all the consequence associated with it. If anything goes wrong you are already aware.

[dipster]

Originally Posted by E55 KEV

Just go with your passion and accept all the consequence associated with it. If anything goes wrong you are already aware.

Thanks for your input. Quick question, if the stock setup is 56 lbs total, and the rim is 26, that makes the tire 30 lbs.

What causes the TIS 07's at 22 inches to weigh 45 lbs each? Thats a huge difference, granted the rim is much bigger.... but still, thats just rediculous.

can you give me any insight into that?

thanks!

[E55 KEV]

Originally Posted by dipster

Thanks for your input. Quick question, if the stock setup is 56 lbs total, and the rim is 26, that makes the tire 30 lbs.

What causes the TIS 07's at 22 inches to weigh 45 lbs each? Thats a huge difference, granted the rim is much bigger.... but still, thats just rediculous.

can you give me any insight into that?

thanks!

The air in the tire has weight also. 30psi = 30 pounds per square inch. 45 pounds for a 22 inch rim? A 22 inch rim is a reallly big rim with really big weight pluse all that unneccessary chrome, center cap. If each addditional inch puts 5 pounds on the rim that sounds about right. Example:

17" = 20 lb
18" = 25 lb
19" = 30 lb
20" = 35 lb
21" = 40 lb
22" = 45 lb