300C VS. 05 Mustang, GTO, 05 Audi A6, upcomming Charger?

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lennoxavesosa

Discussion Starter · Feb 12, 2005

Just out of curiousity, how does the 300C match up to the new mustang, GTO, A6 and eventually the upcomming charger off the line? ive looked at the 0-60 times but i know that dosent necessarily tell which one is faster (stock). anyone raced any of these?

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99gt

· #2 · Feb 12, 2005

The 99-04 Mustang GT's are faster than the C so the 05 is defently faster as well as the GTO.

rmedina

· #3 · Feb 12, 2005

99gt said:
The 99-04 Mustang GT's are faster than the C so the 05 is defently faster as well as the GTO.

Due to the speed cap on the C the GTO and GT will take the C. Light to light racing the C will take it. My boy has a Mustang Bullet and he CAN NOT keep up with me. Once the speed cap is removed it will be a different story..

Rmedina

slk320

· #4 · Feb 12, 2005

As a former A6 owner I have to say that this is not a fair comparison. A6 comes in a variety of trims, including the 6 cyl 3.0, 8 cyl 4.2 and 8 cyl turbo the RS6 which is surely much faster then the 300C, but also cost close to 90,000 USD.

It more then likley that the A6 (both 3.0 and 4.2) is quite a bit slower then the C, but if you comapre top of the line A6 with top of the line C (even the SRT8) then surely the 500hp+ RS6 will take the accelaration and performance edge (if you have the 90K to spend on it)

As far as GT/Cobra mustang, I have sucessfully taken out both until I hit 100mph. After the rev limiter kicks in they will pass you by.

5point7

· #5 · Feb 12, 2005

Depends on whose driving what car.

The 300c should not be able to drive away from a new Mustang GT if the GT driver knows how to drive it (5spd cars), the auto trans in the GT's drain alot of power from the GT (I know, I have one, and I had to install a shift kit, 3.73's in the rear, and a 3000 stall to get the thing going like it can).

99gt

· #6 · Feb 12, 2005 (Edited)

rmedina said:
Due to the speed cap on the C the GTO and GT will take the C. Light to light racing the C will take it. My boy has a Mustang Bullet and he CAN NOT keep up with me. Once the speed cap is removed it will be a different story..

Rmedina

Any 99-04 with a half decent driver and especially the bullet will walk all over the C. I've personally seen Bullit's run in the 13.4-13.6 range stock. And from personal experince i've been able to pull off a 13.7 in my 1999 GT. Now a moderatly stock C might be able to achieve a 13.6 with a set of ET streets ,the wind at it's back and going down hill but other than that forget about it. As far as the GTO and the 05 Mustang GT Both of these cars are capable of running mid to low 13's stock. And for the Cobra, there's no point on even comparing.

Bobs05RT

· #7 · Feb 12, 2005

You will not even get close to beating a 2003-2004 Cobra. Those things run mid to high 12's in the quarter mile in stock condition. Well, at least with the proper driver. I had a 2003 Cobra prior to my Magnum RT and the RT feels slow by comparison. But the RT does have way more room inside and I can carry a bunch of stuff in the cargo area. Plus the RT gets way more positive comments and looks then the Cobra ever did.

First300COwner

· #8 · Feb 12, 2005

Oh boy.....

I raced a few 99-04 5 speed GT's on the freeway and walked them. Off the line its a different story. Most the time I would be at the pack of the Mustang door or at rear bumper. Auto's, I've taken off the line nice and at about 80 mph had about a car or 2 on them.

Car and Drivers comparison was about the best fair comparison, the Pontiac Bon. and the Ford Crown Vic.

Anyway, that is about the best and fair comparison I've seen. And it was no contest. For the price of the 300C its in a position to be compared with cars between 30,000 and 70,000. And win 75% of the time in every aspect. I don't know any other car that is or was able to do that.

Lets see what people tried to compare it to:

300C VS Mustang GT- Two door, sports car

300C VS Acura TL- 4 door, Mid size.

300C VS Bently Arnage T- No need to even explain!

300C VS GTO - Mustang GT Syndrome!

300C VS E500 - Good Comparison if the E500 Didn't start at 56k

300C VS BMW 5 Series - E500 Syndrome!

300C VS Lexus GS430 - Good Comparison If the Lexus didn't start at 54k

300C VS Lexus GS 300 - Still not right starts at 43k

300C VS Toyota Avalon - Nice Comparison if it wasn't a Toyota

300C VS Honda Accord V6 - WTF

Boy, I can go on and on. I didn't make this stuff up, Car mags and people do it all the time. Best comparo was the Pon. Bon. Ford Crown, and 300C.

300C owners are still waiting for the right competition in the size, power, and price range. Any takers. Didn't think so, at least not yet.

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jaydee

· #9 · Feb 13, 2005

avalon Vs 300C

Being a lurker on this forum as a wannabe 300C owner and and as a former Toyota Avalon owner, I would be interested in the avalon Vs 300c comparison- do you have a link I could go to?
Thanks,
JD

Two300Cs

· #10 · Feb 14, 2005

99gt said:
The 99-04 Mustang GT's are faster than the C so the 05 is defently faster as well as the GTO.

Not quite. My father in law runs the '05 V8 pony. At 300hp at 5750rpm and 320lbft torque at 4500rpm both my C's leave his little pony. As for GTO, it better be able to beat a C it has 400 HP at 5200! and 400lbft at 400rpmtorque and weighs almost 900 less than my C's!

syr74

· #11 · Feb 24, 2005

Two300Cs said:
Not quite. My father in law runs the '05 V8 pony. At 300hp at 5750rpm and 320lbft torque at 4500rpm both my C's leave his little pony. As for GTO, it better be able to beat a C it has 400 HP at 5200! and 400lbft at 400rpmtorque and weighs almost 900 less than my C's!

Oh c'mon man. Did your dad get the boat-anchor hanging out of the trunk option? Who on earth believes this?

Any 05 Mustang GT is going to jump up and down on a 300C pretty easily, as even automatic GT's can run mid 13's! I have driven both cars and it is not even close. Recently a relative actually bought a 300C that I have driven more than once and it is impressive for what it is and I actually have far more seat time in a 300C than in a Mustang GT. I am ordeing a Mustang GT this spring and neither one of us is delusional enough to think that he will be able to outrun my car.

It is statements like these that just destroy any credibility somebody has.

jcsganga34

· #12 · Feb 24, 2005 (Edited)

Stock vs Stock, I don't think its going to "jump up and down on a 300C easily" (I've never driven the mustang, only going from magazine reads). I think it will most likely depend on the launch to who wins the race (when starting from a stop). Rolling, I don't have the power numbers handy but my guess is it will probably be just as close. Take them to the track and get your times plus trap speed. In the end it really doesn't matter as someone out there is always faster than either of you. Enjoy your cars as they are both nice...and I never thought I would be saying that about a Ford and a Chrysler. I used to be strictly GM until I got the C.

Dutch

· #13 · Feb 24, 2005

99gt said:
The 99-04 Mustang GT's are faster than the C so the 05 is defently faster as well as the GTO.

I think it would be a driver's race between a '99-'04 Mustang and a 300C. I've never seen a stock GT into the 13s at the track - they're low 14s at best (Firebird is a slow track). Most magazines put the 300C in the low 14s.

A 300C would definately walk an auto convertible Mustang GT. Of course, it's a different story with the new ones...

syr74

· #14 · Feb 24, 2005

jcsganga34 said:
Stock vs Stock, I don't think its going to "jump up and down on a 300C easily" (I've never driven the mustang, only going from magazine reads). I think it will most likely depend on the launch to who wins the race (when starting from a stop). Rolling, I don't have the power numbers handy but my guess is it will probably be just as close. Take them to the track and get your times plus trap speed. In the end it really doesn't matter as someone out there is always faster than either of you. Enjoy your cars as they are both nice...and I never thought I would be saying that about a Ford and a Chrysler. I used to be strictly GM until I got the C.

I actually know people who have gotten their 5-speed manual 05 Mustang GT's to run 13.3X's. Not many, but enough to know this is not a time the 300C can match or even get close to. Best time to best time you are looking at slightly better than a half second advantage minimum.

The 05 GT does give up something on the top end due to both 4th and 5th gears being such high over-drive gears and here the 300 may even have a slight advantage. But, even automatic 05 Mustang GT's regularly run in the mid 13's through the 1/4 mile so I cannot see any stock 300C outrunning any 05 Mustang GT even if it is an auto vert. A 300C might be a match for a auto Mustang convertible through the 1/4, but that is about as good as it is going to get as even the vert should be good for high 13's with the auto tranny.

I like the 300C, and would consider buying one as a 4-dr to park next to the pony. But, reality is reality and even my anti-Ford brother would say this one does not pass the sniff test.

skulltatt

· #15 · Feb 28, 2005

Two300Cs said:
Not quite. My father in law runs the '05 V8 pony. At 300hp at 5750rpm and 320lbft torque at 4500rpm both my C's leave his little pony. As for GTO, it better be able to beat a C it has 400 HP at 5200! and 400lbft at 400rpmtorque and weighs almost 900 less than my C's!

04's have 350hp and 05's have 400hp. 04's are good for mid 13's to low 14's (some exceptions being very low 13's). 05's are good for very low 13's to high 12's. 04's should be a drivers race with most of the wins going to the GTO. 05's should just win.

Two300Cs

· #16 · Mar 1, 2005

syr74 said:
Oh c'mon man. Did your dad get the boat-anchor hanging out of the trunk option? Who on earth believes this?

Any 05 Mustang GT is going to jump up and down on a 300C pretty easily, as even automatic GT's can run mid 13's! I have driven both cars and it is not even close. Recently a relative actually bought a 300C that I have driven more than once and it is impressive for what it is and I actually have far more seat time in a 300C than in a Mustang GT. I am ordeing a Mustang GT this spring and neither one of us is delusional enough to think that he will be able to outrun my car.

It is statements like these that just destroy any credibility somebody has.

My father in law said the same thing. Check the Ford Site out numbers are right there. http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/features/specs/#per

99gt

· #17 · Mar 11, 2005 (Edited)

Two300Cs said:
Not quite. My father in law runs the '05 V8 pony. At 300hp at 5750rpm and 320lbft torque at 4500rpm both my C's leave his little pony. As for GTO, it better be able to beat a C it has 400 HP at 5200! and 400lbft at 400rpmtorque and weighs almost 900 less than my C's!

When you get a time slip from a completly stock 300c that shows 13.7 i'll beleive the C is faster than the Stang. I own both and let me tell you anybody that can drive worth a damn in a 5spd 99-04 will rocket away from a C. As for the 05GT... they have 40 more hp than the 99-04..i'm sure we can all do the math.... And just to get you guys fogged up even more i place any money that an SRT-4 would lunch a C as well.

Just the other day i beat a 300C in my 04' Crown Vic HPP. Beleivable? Didn't think so.

99gt

· #18 · Mar 11, 2005

jcsganga34 said:
. Take them to the track and get your times plus trap speed. In the end it really doesn't matter as someone out there is always faster than either of you. Enjoy your cars as they are both nice...and I never thought I would be saying that about a Ford and a Chrysler. I used to be strictly GM until I got the C.

And Werd up to that!

Stew

· #19 · Jul 6, 2005

Hello, just want to chime in here.

i love the 300s. NO WAY a 99-04 GT is hitting 13.4 stock, hell, an 05 GT can't do (it's actually not really quicker than the 99-04s thopugh). Best I have seen at the llocal track from a new GT is 14.3. that is sad. There 300Cs in the 14.0 range and I have heard of high 13s too. I will say you'll need an SRT-8 to hang with a 03-04 Cobra, those suckers are high 12/low 13 second cars (sorry mid 12s is BS for 03/04 snakes).

5point7

· #20 · Jul 6, 2005

My auto GT Vert will run circles around my C...It better - it's blown and I have enough money into it to buy a C outright!! LOL :friday:

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