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The lumbar support, on my driver's seat, doesn't appear to do anything. There is a lever, shaped like a rather large paddle, that, when moved, makes no difference. When I am adjusting it, I am sitting in the seat with my back against the seatback. I am starting to think 1) mine is broken or 2) overall design is ineffective. Do others notice anything when adjusting the lever?

What is the adjustment range for this lever; i.e., is the lever to be positioned at the extremes of available motion or should it hold position in intermediate positions? (not that this really matters since I don't notice any change from one extreme to the other!!)
 

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The lumbar support lever defiantly works on my C. I would say it moves the seat back cushion about a half an inch. Try the passenger seat and see if that one works. It sounds like your seat is faulty. The lever extremes are vertical to horizontal - one quarter turn down or up.
 

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Mine both appear to be working properly; however, they're definitely not that effective as other vehicles I also own and have owned in the past. It's actually fully engaged when the lever is horizontal and pointing forward, as in the attached photo. Hope this helps.
 

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Mine used to work but does not any longer. I guess I will have them look at it at my next free oil change. I dont even use it so I assume someone at the dealership broke it as noone else drives my car.
 

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II kings 9:20 said:
It's crude, very 80s. A 10 year old caddy has electric lumbar that also adjusts up and down!
Gang,

It may be crude and "very 80s", but it keeps the over all cost below $40K. If you added that "caddy electric lumbar" and "wood dash" plus several things that I hear everyone crying about on this form the car would cost that $40K plus. Again, just my $.02.
 

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Gang,

It may be crude and "very 80s", but it keeps the over all cost below $40K. If you added that "caddy electric lumbar" and "wood dash" plus several things that I hear everyone crying about on this form the car would cost that $40K plus. Again, just my $.02.
Very very true. I just wish there were more of a shopping list of features not all rolled into packages they way manufacturers do these days. Yes, I realize this would still add to the overall cost of the car by needing to maintain this kind of flexibility on an assembly line and inventory of optional parts. It would be nice to have a choice though...for instance...ventilated/air conditioned seats I WOULD have paid for if they were available.
 

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Was just checking my lumbar support the other day. It works cause when I move it the seat back goes in and out a little. The thing is when I am sitting in the seat I can't tell the difference.

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Lumbar support in this car is minimal. I adjusted mine to full support the day I bought the car and haven't adjusted it since. The difference is barely noticeable on my size body. 6' 4"
 

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Both of mine work as advertised. In general the difference, though, is not huge. When turning it as you sit in the seat (first, I'd not overburden the gizmo by pushing back hard in the seat while you do it....just gently) you should feel the seat back push out in the area of your lower back. Perhaps you were expecting more and looking for changes elsewhere?

I would wish that it were a little more pronounced...when you get to be my age, your back will have troubles too. But it does do what it is said toi do as is.

As for the comment that electric lumbar (a'la Caddies) pushing up the overall price, if taken collectively with certain other 'creature comfort' odds and ends....the statement is true. Myself, I don't feel the need for an electric system in this are as long as there is an effective mechanical system in it's stead.

I'd glady trade the electric in favour of mechanical in exchange for certain other upgrades to the interior. Yes, that would drive the price up, and I'd still pay it. Mine went over 40 anyway.

That is part of the problem with Chryslers' dim-witted decision to market low end models of the 300. Any company should want their flagship product to have an elevated image. Granted, Chrysler will never be in any danger of toppling Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Aston-Martin, or any of the others. But stil they should want their top end vehicle to be something that people might aspire to.

Instead, with these lower end models (calm down, I am NOT begrudinging anyone who owns one) Chrysler drags down the image of the marque ...as well as the image of the company in many ways. Be that as it may, one of the other prices paid for this is that certain things gravitate to the lowest common denominator. Everyone complains about plastic parts and pieces in the interiors of their 300C's. Well, they would not be there were it not for the lower end models. Certain items, for ease of the manufacturing process, need to remain constant up and down the product line. The lion's share of the interior is one of these items. Were it not for the need to make cheaper 300's, there wouldn't be a need for cheaper 300 interiors. Granted, the overall price of the vehicle would go up if such upgraded items were included. But as I said earlier.....I'd be willing to pay for it.

Am I whining? No. I am merely exploring the reasons for many of the things that people hereabouts regularly complain upon. Myself, I don't begrudge anyone who owns the lower models. We all have our reasons for owning what we have. But, strictly from a business standpoint, I do blame Chrysler for making a less than intelligent decision in the matter.

One could counter that, with the present state of things, Chryslers' bottom line is fatter. And, this is true. But at what cost? In the short run, they are richer. In the long run, people will not look to Chrysler for anything other than mid-level vehicles at best. And, should Chrysler ever actually decide to swing for the bleachers with an upscale product, will they be taken seriously? A look at Volkswagens' more or less failed attempt with the Phaeton should answer that question. But, if Chrysler is happy churning out 300's, Chargers, and Pacifica's for the masses.....who are we to question?


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rdmac said:
It works cause when I move it the seat back goes in and out a little. The thing is when I am sitting in the seat I can't tell the difference.
Well, I guess mine works afterall....I just tried it like you did and I ,too, can see the seat backs move. Also like you, I can't feel it....I guess I'm not too sensitive of a guy :p
 

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Hello Everyone,

Just to comment on what Simon has to say...even if they did not produce the lower cost models what is to say that anything would have really changed? Also, I'm sure if you break everything down, producing the Base, Touring, and Limited definitly help keep the overall price of the C down. The more cars that are produced, the less the cost per unit when you break down all of the other costs that go into building a car including raw materials and plant $. As far as marquee cars...the 300C is Chrysler's top of the line car. They are not Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Jaguar, etc. True, Audi may use higher cost items in the interior, but think about it, there is no way they pay an amount in line with the premium they charge for the automobiles. Chrysler is a volume brand, and for them to be profitable they have to sell volume over all vehicle lines. Different companies have different business strategies. High volume vs. high margin.

Plus...even the premium brands have steps in models.

Cadillac, Mercedes, BMW, etc. Does an E320 cheapen an E500? They both look the same, share many of the same components...but one has a V6, the other a good size V8.

Sorry guys didn't mean to ramble...but volume car manufacturers could never survice only selling one product in a niche market. Anyone who can say DaimlerChrysler is not picking up incremental sales by offering lower cost variations of vehicle that is getting recognition all over the globe is dead wrong. There are plenty of people out there that don't care about/or need the HEMI engine. But isn't there something to be said about being able to drive a brand new, eye catching automobile that costs the same price as a Camry, Malibu, Accord, etc?

Any thoughts...feel free to pm or email. [email protected]

Pat
 

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pkmsu81 said:
Sorry guys didn't mean to ramble...
Yet you did. Alas, so did I. Oh what the heck, let's do it some more.....



pkmsu81 said:
Also, I'm sure if you break everything down, producing the Base, Touring, and Limited definitly help keep the overall price of the C down.
Believe that is implicitly part of what I said as well. Myself, I'd be willing to pay a bit more to get a bit more. As, I believe, most would.



pkmsu81 said:
Chrysler is a volume brand, and for them to be profitable they have to sell volume over all vehicle lines. Different companies have different business strategies. High volume vs. high margin.
As before, if Chrysler is happy to mindlessly churn out McCars for the masses, (and their dealers are equally as happy in schlepping them onto the street) then who are we to question? For those who want prime rib, Gallagher's will always be just up the street and around the corner in the theatre district. Right?



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Plus...even the premium brands have steps in models. Cadillac, Mercedes, BMW, etc. .....
(Hmmm....must have missed that hundred dollar Rolex down at the jewelers yesterday.)

Yes....the upscale makes have different step-levels. But which of these that you mention start their 'steps' at 20k?

No....one doesn't see many such 'steps' aimed quite this low. Even Cadillac (since you've brought it up) has given up on the Catera.


pkmsu81 said:
Anyone who can say DaimlerChrysler is not picking up incremental sales by offering lower cost variations of vehicle that is getting recognition all over the globe is dead wrong.
Don't think anyone said that. Indeed, quite the opposite in fact. Little doubt indeed that Chrysler is making money on the lower end models. But the price for doing so is to water down the marque ...and the company.

Just to reiterate, if Chrysler is happy to mindlessly churn out McCars for the masses....then who are we to McCare???? A temporarily fat wallet is the apparent cure for myopia.


....sT
 
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