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Do these headlights suck ?? They don't illuminate road, I have even tried nokya bulbs. They help the brights. Hope hid are better. Why is the glass in front of low beams etched?? are clear available?

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The stock lights on many Chryslers for many years have been poor not to mention frosting of the plastic covers over a few short years. I remember a Car and Driver review of a Caravan and one of the criticisms was "dim witted headlights". You may want to look into a dealer installed or aftmkt HID system which is spectacular and well worth the money. I have Kyoto whitebeams in my 94 Jeep and they help marginally, they look a little like HID looking at them, but the view out the windshield is still pretty yellow dim.
 

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The standard lights seem great to me. But, I guess if you've never driven a 40's
car with 6 VOLT sealed beams, you can't appreciate how good modern headlights are.

On another note - has anyone else found themselves sitting at a traffic light, pulled up to the line, unable to see the light at all without ducking (due to the high seating position and low windshield)?
 

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SilverHemi said:
The standard lights seem great to me. But, I guess if you've never driven a 40's
car with 6 VOLT sealed beams, you can't appreciate how good modern headlights are.

On another note - has anyone else found themselves sitting at a traffic light, pulled up to the line, unable to see the light at all without ducking (due to the high seating position and low windshield)?
Yes, requires a bit of a stoop, the upright windshield like a late70s-80s SAAB 900 which required the same maneuver.
 

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SilverHemi said:
On another note - has anyone else found themselves sitting at a traffic light, pulled up to the line, unable to see the light at all without ducking (due to the high seating position and low windshield)?
Yes. Full visibility for some lights is not possible in a normal sitting position if you're the first one at the light. It's OK a few cars back. But then you're not gonna be able to smoke the guy next to you when it turns green. A real disconcerting design flaw. :D
 

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I assume this is the standard lighting and not the HID upgrade that's being complained about?
 

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BrilliantBlackHemi said:
I assume this is the standard lighting and not the HID upgrade that's being complained about?
Actually, yes and no, I think. It certainly has become confusing.

I believe toothdoc started off uphappy with the standard lights. Then the subject got onto HID's and finally on to the rather vertical slant of the windshield which causes some discomfort in viewing an over-head traffic light.

Please, all -- let's keep similar subject matter tied together and separate other subjects as much as possible into different threads. This group of forums makes it extemely easy to begin a new thread when perhaps one really doesn't want to do that. And the input gets confusing quickly enough when there is this heavy amount of posts daily.

It really doesn't hurt to do a search on a subject and then go to it for to add your comments. IF your subject matter hasn't already been covered, then add a new thread. We'll all get so much more out of this AND CAN FIND THE INFO.

I find it particularly helpful to look at the Active Topics listing for a quick index of subject matter.

And thanks for your consideration; this entire group of forums has a great group of people.
 

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I just drove from LA to las vegas. Regular headlights were useless on dark highway, could not see lane reflectors in highway. The fog lights helped to see reflectors. I finally turned on high beams and drove 3- 4 hour with them on and nobody flashed back at me ?? Does not say much for the high beams either. I am 47 years old and have driven lots of vehicles and this car is the worst. I am going to file a complaint to national transportation safty board. http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
 

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toothdoc said:
I just drove from LA to las vegas. Regular headlights were useless on dark highway, could not see lane reflectors in highway. The fog lights helped to see reflectors. I finally turned on high beams and drove 3- 4 hour with them on and nobody flashed back at me ?? Does not say much for the high beams either. I am 47 years old and have driven lots of vehicles and this car is the worst. I am going to file a complaint to national transportation safty board. http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
What model 300 do you have? Do you have HID's?

My C's standard lights are the xenon high beams and the HID low beams. I can truthfully state that the lights are just fine.

Have you taken the car back to the dealer to have the lights adjusted? If not, sounds as if you should.
 

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mileshoover said:
My C's standard lights are the xenon high beams and the HID low beams.
Hmmm... this is getting more confusing all the time. ;)

As I recall, and the Chrysler website seems to confirm this,
the HID headlights are an option that is available
only on the 300c. Otherwise, the 300c gets
"Halogen Projector Headlights", which I'm guessing
means upgraded optics for a brighter and better defined beam.

The rest of the models make do with standard halogen
headlamps, with no option available.

If that's true, its a shame that one can't get upgraded
(and presumably safer) headlamps on any model other
than the 300c. I imagine the different headlamp shape
precludes that.

I hope I have clarified, rather than muddled. :D

Best,

George "Semi-Bright" Ferguson
 

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DrDeville said:
Hmmm... this is getting more confusing all the time. ;) As I recall, and the Chrysler website seems to confirm this, the HID headlights are an option that is available only on the 300c. Otherwise, the 300c gets
"Halogen Projector Headlights", which I'm guessing
means upgraded optics for a brighter and better defined beam.
The rest of the models make do with standard halogen
headlamps, with no option available.
If that's true, its a shame that one can't get upgraded
(and presumably safer) headlamps on any model other
than the 300c. I imagine the different headlamp shape
precludes that.
I hope I have clarified, rather than muddled. :D
Keerect, George, again you win the nickel. ;^))

That's exactly why I'm trying to get toothdoc to tell us which 300 model he has. I don't recall him condemning the HID's, just his car's headlights in general, whatever model it is. And yes, there are considerable differences among the models of the 300 series.
 

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II kings 9:20 said:
You may want to look into a dealer installed or aftmkt HID
Dealers can not upgrade halogen to HID! Most, the majority will not do this upgrade at any price. It is against NHTSA/DOT to retrofit factory headlamps even if using the same OEM parts on a car that HID is a factory option. It sounds weird but that is law.

Those aftermarket retrofit kits have been outlawed and any dealer selling them can be fine $5k per day by DOT.
 

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mileshoover said:
My C's standard lights are the xenon high beams and the HID low beams.
The high beams are not Xenon. The high beam bulb is halogen from the factory using a 9005 halogen bulb. The low beam is a D1S HID bulb.
 

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I wonder if toothdoc has a badly aimed system. He mentions not being able to see the paint strips on the side of the road and no one flashing him about his high beams...seems like they are pointing skyward too much. Just a thought. I think the standard headlights are very good. I could only imagine the HID system is clear as a bell.
 

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I find that the intensity of lowbeams nowadays really aggravating -- especially the HID units. I suppose it's different for people that live in rural areas, but in my (generally) suburban/city driving, you could turn the headlights OFF and see just fine. Of course nobody would see you.

My point is that highbeams are for dark roads, and you can turn them down if there is oncoming traffic. These brilliantly bright lowbeams don't give you a choice -- you're ALWAYS blinding oncoming traffic. Just my opinion.
 

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I have a 300c with regular headlights. I worked my way thru college and dental school by working in gas stations, driving tow trucks and even going to GM training center in Hindsdale IL. I have always repaired my own cars including rebuilding carbs; except warrantee work. I have owned many cars from chevy vegas to audi A8 and Merceds SL500. The headlights seemn to be aimed correctly when i pull up against garage wall they are aimed slightly down with a sharp cutoff rising to the right. they seem to be projecting a light in a horizontal band but very little below it?? maybe they put a zenon reflector in the car by mistake?? I don't know? but it is impossible to drive on a poorly lit road at night with out the high beam headlights. When I drive on regular streets there does not seem to be any light down on the street. It is very strange to drive hours in california with high beams on and not one person flashed back at me. ??
 

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I bought a new Chevrolet last spring and had exactly the same problem. Often, especially in rain, I felt like I might as well had the headlights turned off for all the good they were doing. I also thought that maybe they were staying on DSL power even when I turned to switch on. It was bad. I Complained to the dealer who fooled with the aim a bit. Like you, toothdoc, when I pulled up to a wall they looked like they were aimed as I was taught they always should be. Finally, I took matters into my own hands and went out to a dark road and aimed / readjusted them while I stood with the hood up looking down the road. I found it helpful to cover one light and adjust one at a time initially. I found that I needed to lower the aim. I still was not satisfied until I replaced the stock bulbs with Sylvania SilverStars from Walmart. These aren't purple or anything like that, but they did make a difference in night visibilty. Good luck.
 

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toothdoc said:
...I have a 300c with regular headlights. ...The headlights seemn to be aimed correctly when i pull up against garage wall they are aimed slightly down with a sharp cutoff rising to the right. ... When I drive on regular streets there does not seem to be any light down on the street.

It is very strange to drive hours in california with high beams on and not one person flashed back at me. ??
It looks as if that last sentence is your clue. And as was pointed out earlier, perhaps your heallamps are all aimed too high.

Do you perhaps have a full trunk which cants the car rear downward and offsets your lights?

In any case, suggest you take the car to your dealer or someone who will truly check out the aim of the lights on a machine, not eyeball them on a wall. That doesn't always solve the problem.
 

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Yeah I agree, take the car to a specialist and get the headlights set-up on a machine to the specs. I have proudly adjusted my own headlights over many years on a number of different vehicles and a few years back got myself into a bit of trouble on one. I took it to the dealer to get it back to specs and then just adjusted slightly from that point to my our preference.
 
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