[HEMIBYU]

First I would like too wish everybody a happy Holiday. My question is, knowing that our Cars (300) share parts "IE suspension, transmission" with the Mercedes-Benz E class wondering if AMG has anything right off the shelf that would interchange with ours? An AMG Chrsysler 300C handling package HUH :evil: :smoker:

 

[E55 KEV]

Does not share parts - only share design.

Sorry to be the bearer of not good news. But the answer is Absolutely Nothing! I believe the LX and MBZ chassis do not share parts, but actually share design - so no part is interchangeable. The LX chassis is supposed to be similar to the old W210 E-class, however:

The rear suspension is similar to the W210 E-Class with separate springs and dampers.

The front suspension is similar to the W203 C-Class with coil over damper type.

 

[JMatt]

Sorry to be the bearer of not good news. But the answer is Absolutely Nothing! I believe the LX and MBZ chassis do not share parts, but actually share design - so no part is interchangeable. The LX chassis is supposed to be similar to the old W210 E-class, however:

The rear suspension is similar to the W210 E-Class with separate springs and dampers.

The front suspension is similar to the W203 C-Class with coil over damper type.

Ummmm.....Transmission?

 

[kevenj]

Well basically Chrysler's "SRT" division is the equivalent to Mercedes "AMG" so in reality what you would be looking for are parts for the 300C-SRT8. The suspension design is the same but steering pump, rack (??) springs, shocks, rear end, and of course wheels and tires, are the differences. (leaving out the engine of course).

As far as the transmission goes; it's the same transmission used in the SRT8 and in Mercedes "AMG" cars already, but I would suspect it's beefed up a little ( don't know this for a fact) and of course the software that controls it is different.

 

[E55 KEV]

The transmission has the same "design" only. A 300C 5 speed and a AMG 5-Speed are not the same part, the same part number nor are they interchangeable. I guess most should take my word for this, at least performance wise, because I drive the same tranny in a W210 E55, a Magnum RT and a 300C. And beleive me the LX 5-Speed is nothing like the tranny in my AMG. The kick-down in the E55 can be frightening to the average person, but I can not get the LX to do violent kick-downs like the AMG with equal HP and Torque.

 

[JMatt]

And beleive me the LX 5-Speed is nothing like the tranny in my AMG. The kick-down in the E55 can be frightening to the average person, but I can not get the LX to do violent kick-downs like the AMG with equal HP and Torque.

I believe you for the most part, but have you driven the SRT-8 transmission? It too is night and day from the regular LX transmission.

 

[kevenj]

I believe you for the most part, but have you driven the SRT-8 transmission? It too is night and day from the regular LX transmission.

the difference is in the software that controls it, not the transmission itself. It is the same transmission; I would however concede that there are probably some more clutches or some heavy duty components in the SRT8 version but the reason the shifts are so much different is the computer control.

 

[E55 KEV]

I believe you for the most part, but have you driven the SRT-8 transmission? It too is night and day from the regular LX transmission.

I don't believe there is any difference in the SRT-8 and 300C tranny - the shift points are the same, I think? The point of my post and driving experience is to compare 2 cars with the same HP and Torque that supposedly have the same tranny. The SRT-8 has 85 more ponies over the 300C with 340 and my E55 is rated at 349 "officially". The torque is the same at 390 ft-lbs for 300C and the older W210 E55 AMG which I have.

Your post would be like someone comparing the 5-speed tranny in the 300C with 340HP and the 300 Touring with 250HP.

 

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

During the factory tour, we were told the SRT-8 transmission gets more clutches and increased fluid pressure and that's about it. It's the driveline (4 bolt vs 3 bolt) and rear end and half shafts that have all been upgraded. The engine too of course. This was from the product launch manager that was leading the tour.

 

[HEMIBYU]

Sorry to be the bearer of not good news. But the answer is Absolutely Nothing! I believe the LX and MBZ chassis do not share parts, but actually share design - so no part is interchangeable. The LX chassis is supposed to be similar to the old W210 E-class, however:

The rear suspension is similar to the W210 E-Class with separate springs and dampers.

The front suspension is similar to the W203 C-Class with coil over damper type.

Would love to see an AMG 300C wonder if AMG would even consider :bigeyes: .
On the engineering side the geometry pretty close :wall: .

 

[kevenj]

Would love to see an AMG 300C wonder if AMG would even consider :bigeyes: .
On the engineering side the geometry pretty close :wall: .

An AMG 300C ?? What do you think a 300C-SRT8 is ???

 

[glhs837]

Hmmm, the Charger SRT-8s all seem to be coming with transmissions sourced from Germany. So maybe they made changes there also?

As far as differences between SRT and normal, I dont thhink there is any phsyical change.

 

[HEMIBYU]

An AMG 300C ?? What do you think a 300C-SRT8 is ???

300C SRT8 is just what it is a great car 300C SRT8... Just would like to see how AMG (German engineering :33: ) would approach the 300C and name it as so 300C AMG :sly: .

 

[faterotong]

uh, if I remember right, the front suspension is a development of the previous LH front suspension and the rear's an adapted version of the E-class' rear suspension, not a direct copy, but an adaptation. Steel vs. Aluminium.

 

[kevenj]

300C SRT8 is just what it is a great car 300C SRT8... Just would like to see how AMG (German engineering :33: ) would approach the 300C and name it as so 300C AMG :sly: .

Well my point is that the SRT division of Chrysler is the equivalent of the AMG division of Mercedes. Basically just a different name but the same mission and approach in achieving it. There won't be any "AMG" Chryslers just as there won't be any "SRT" Mercedes. So basically the 300C-SRT8 is a 300C-AMG by a different name.

 

[artichoke]

No it really _is_ AMG.

If I recall correctly, the other day I read that the SRT-8 engine was actually developed with help from AMG.

 

[stevesrt8]

trans source

Hmmm, the Charger SRT-8s all seem to be coming with transmissions sourced from Germany. So maybe they made changes there also?

As far as differences between SRT and normal, I dont think there is any phsyical change.

Note that my 06 300C SRT8 lists the transmission source as Germany right on the window sticker.


the trans computer varies the fluid pressure so in reality it is software differences that define the different driving characteristics. The SRT8 even chops the throttle plate closed on shifts, thus its characteristic "Whuff" noise.


Steve
06 CSRT8
all stock all original
everything but DVD
waiting for software

 

[stevesrt8]

suspension

uh, if I remember right, the front suspension is a development of the previous LH front suspension and the rear's an adapted version of the E-class' rear suspension, not a direct copy, but an adaptation. Steel vs. Aluminium.

Road and Track says the suspension components are from the previous generation E class Mercedes Benz. This applies to all platforms, not just SRT8.

SRT8 team simply tuned the existing components for a better handling car.


Steve
06 CSRT8
all stock all original
everything but DVD
waiting for software

 

[E55 KEV]

Road and Track says the suspension components are from the previous generation E class Mercedes Benz. This applies to all platforms, not just SRT8.

SRT8 team simply tuned the existing components for a better handling car.


Steve
06 CSRT8
all stock all original
everything but DVD
waiting for software

It looks like you missed the pics I posted of my previous generation E-Class and the LX chassis. Please quote Road and Track verbatim. Once again it is a similar design and not any Mercedes-Benz parts. The parts were designed from the ground up using similar design and technology that Mercedes uses. There are no parts from any Mercedes that will fit the LX chassis directly and vice=versa. My E-class has separate coils and dampers up front and the LX does not.

 

[maneval69]

I don't believe there is any difference in the SRT-8 and 300C tranny - the shift points are the same, I think? The point of my post and driving experience is to compare 2 cars with the same HP and Torque that supposedly have the same tranny. The SRT-8 has 85 more ponies over the 300C with 340 and my E55 is rated at 349 "officially". The torque is the same at 390 ft-lbs for 300C and the older W210 E55 AMG which I have.

Your post would be like someone comparing the 5-speed tranny in the 300C with 340HP and the 300 Touring with 250HP.

The shift points are different between the 300C and SRT8.
300c about 5500 rpm
SRT8 about 6100 rpm

I do agree that the parts are different from the Mercedes to the Chrysler.
If they had been made by the same manufacturer there may have been some hope for parts interchange, but because the Chrysler parts where resourced the odds are vary slim.
For the same reason I don't think we could realy on the power rating for the AMG trans to hold true for the Chrysler trans.