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So far my C has been a great car virtually problem free for 4,000 miles Woohoo. I have often stated in my posts how good the Japanese (Honda/Toyota) cars are esp compared to American cars. Last year I bought an 04 Perfect Toyota Sienna which had a pre delivery recall for a gas tank leak in a crash test. Ours had a whine from the blower motor which cleared after 3 months and a fan belt squeal upon start up which the dealer fixed by tensioning the pulley, it recurred and eventually went away after 5 or 6 months. One power outlet had a bad fuse and was discovered on our first trip when I tried to use my Escort, another dealer trip :mad: I just got an 05 Perfect Honda Odyssey on 11/19 and took off on a 1300 miler on 11/20. I just got to the freeway and the kids were asking to see a movie, no power to the DVD screen :mad: I was only 10 min from the dealer and had a svc tech check it who said "it's broke". I suggested checking the fuse and we discovered that there was no fuse in the DVD port :mad: That is correct, the car was delivered with no fuse, I suspect the dealer is supposed to put one in. Before you ask, they went over everything when my wife picked it up but no one had a DVD to check its function at delivery. I also found steering wheel shimmy which improved significantly with more miles (almost gone now) and it drifts right or left with the crown much like my C, more so than any FWD car I have driven. It has MDS and is rated at 28mpg, my best was 25 all freeway (engine still green though), the Sienna got 28-29.5 from day one though anemic power when freeway merging. My experience shows that my C is at least as good as Toyota and Honda. Long term, time will tell. I plan to keep the C and Odyssey for 7+ years and we'll find out who is most reliable. Oh, btw, no DRL just like the 300, I'll be adding a kit.
 

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I don't think asian cars are that much better than domestic. Yes, I think domestic brands were asleep for a few years and had abandoned the car market. Domestic brands are awake now and will be making more effecient and reliable cars. About 60% of the cars in my part of town are from the 90's and older. 90% of those old cars are domestic. There are plenty of domestics from the 80's still in use. I don't see that many 1970-1990's asian cars. My point is this, Hondas and Toyotas didn't start selling high volumes untill the mid 90's. Where is the reliabilty if they have only seriously been around a few years. These words come from a guy that still owns a 1965 Mustang. A car that is 40 years and 14 years older than I am. I will also say this most asian cars have bland styling which appeals more to the older crowd like soccer moms, the grandmas and yes even the church going. Law abidding citizens that keep it under the speed limit. Younger guys like something that looks cool and goes fast. Enviroment, hell were gen-x and gen-y we don't care! :eek:
 

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Our family has 6 Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep vehicles on our property ranging from 1994 - 2005 and they all run great, have no/little trouble, are like new inside/out, never left us stranded, etc. What more could Honda/Toyota do for me? Allow me to drive for 200K+ miles? First off I don't drive vehicles for 200K, I'm bored before then. With Honda/Toyota I'm bored before I read about them/see them.

I know so many people with Hondas and Toyotas that brag about their cars it makes me sick. I counter their every arguement (except 30+ MPG) when comparing mother Mopar, then rub in how much cooler my car is...oh and 3 of them are cars of the year and WORTHY of it. :D

The thing that I do not speak of, due to embarrasment, is Chrysler Dealer Service. It's a joke, pure and simple. If you work on your own car, owning a Chrysler is wonderful. That's the biggest festering sore, the German Diamler folks STILL haven't FIXED. I'm quite surprised at that too.
 

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Let's not be fooled by the mpg argument either, most V6 Aisian cars get about 27mpg hwy, the Buick LeSabre gets 29 and often tops 30 real world. The Corolla automatic is rated at 32!. My dad's 97 Town Car routinely gets 28 hwy, cruise on 70mph. My 98 V6 Accord never topped 28. This mpg myth started in the 70s When comparisons were made b/t Civics/Datsun 210s and Olds 98s /Grand Marquis. C&D long term test of a Prius averaged 41mpg well below the 60/51 rating, it only did a few mpg better than a VW diesel. Clearly American cars can hold thier own in any mpg discussion though the idiots at Consumer Reports will never admit it, read thier text, they completely ignore the fact that large American cars often beat midsize imports in mpg.
 
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