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#23 ·
Stupid question:

Is the bolt pattern on the SRT8 the same as the 300C (5 x 115)??
 
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#24 ·
hub centric rings?

ok maybe i am stupid :silly: but what is this so called ring and what it does..now another question...that i cant seem to find the right answer.on 265/35/22 what is the proper air pressure.. :banana:
 
#25 · (Edited)
ruco469 said:
ok maybe i am stupid :silly: but what is this so called ring and what it does.
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The big hole in the middle of the rim is the center hub hole and it fits on the hub of the brake rotors. A Hub Centric Ring is used on a wheel where the hole is too large for a particular application. The HCR is used to make the hole smaller. All car makes have a different size brake hub so Wheel companies make one size hub hole on their wheels and use a HCR to make it fit. For example - The Wheel company makes their rims with a generic size 75mm hub hole but to fit that wheel on a car with a 65mm hub they have to install a 10mm hub centric ring, thus reducing the size of the center hub. Hope this helps.
 
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I was looking at rims on this website
http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_pack...s.com/rt_packages.jsp?req=newCar&carYear=2005&carMake=Chrysler&carModel=300+RWD
and noticed that they have a "Fitment Guarantee" for the 5x114.3 and 5x115 bolt patterns. So I sent them an email telling them 5.114.3 is not a correct bolt pattern. Below is their response.

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Hello,

You are right, 300C has 5x115 bolt pattern,
exactly as it states on the web site (see specs in the top menu):
http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_pack...s.com/rt_packages.jsp?req=newCar&carYear=2005&carMake=Chrysler&carModel=300+RWD

However, 5x114.3 (5x4.5) is a correct fit as well, just slightly tighter
(see comments under packages).
Besides market offers MUCH wider choice in 5x4.5 bolt pattern.

Also, all our recommended (direct fit) packages are backed up by our Fitment
Guarantee:
http://www.rims-n-tires.com/info_ourguarantee.jsp
So, order with confidence.
We know what we are selling.
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To summarize their response.
Yeh, we know it is not the correct fit (slightly tighter). But because there is a MUCH bigger selection of wheels with 5x114.3, we think we can make more sales/profits by claiming the 114's will fit. But trust us, see our fitment guarantee. You have nothing to worry about, even if you start to develop vibrations 6-12 months later, as your wheel starts to crumble under the stress.

Felt I needed to post their response, as it irks me some wheel sites are intentionally, or misguidedly, making incorrect advertising claims.
 
#27 ·
Can a 114.3 be machined corrctly to a 115? I am looking at the tsw 20x8.5(Kayakami?I think) whichis a 114.5. The shopassuresme the work canbe done toconvert the pattern to a "true" 115. Is this possibole, and ifso, how. I amsure running the 114.5 initailly would create little if any discernible issues, but the long termwear and tearis sureto create problems down the road. I'd appreciate an informed response tothis to take back tothe dealer, and to callTSW as well.
 
#28 ·
I would run and not walk away from the shop who suggested such a thing, let me put it this way, if you did have some problem with THE MACHINED parts whose fault would it be? YOU and no one elses. Sure the work could be done but it would never be correct. I think your life and the lives of your family and friends are more important than some remachined wheels. Man I think I have heard it all. Continue to run Please and have a safe holiday with the correct wheels from the start. If you want to live dangeriously invite the girlfriend over for the Christmas meal with your wife and inlaws.




larrynipon said:
Can a 114.3 be machined corrctly to a 115? I am looking at the tsw 20x8.5(Kayakami?I think) whichis a 114.5. The shopassuresme the work canbe done toconvert the pattern to a "true" 115. Is this possibole, and ifso, how. I amsure running the 114.5 initailly would create little if any discernible issues, but the long termwear and tearis sureto create problems down the road. I'd appreciate an informed response tothis to take back tothe dealer, and to callTSW as well.
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#29 ·
Bolt pattern/centering ring

joey said:
Does the 5x114.3 bolt pattern work on the 300c? I see several websites where you plug in the Chrysler 300C into their fitments lookup, and all the 114.3's show up as fitting the 300c. I have also seen a lot of rim specialty sites post pics of the 300c with their rims, but they only sell 114.3's.
Then there are other websites, where the 114.3 does not show up as a correct fit, such as bigwheels.net. I call Tireworks and other wheel shops, and they say 115's only fit.
It is my understanding the 114.3 is not the right fit and not to buy this size.
Are the folks buying the 114.3 using hub centric rings? Or could they be living with wheel shimmy at certain speeds?
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If the bolt pattern is 5x114,3 and you have a strong metal hub centering ring, you will not have any problems, because the centering of the wheels is not bolt-related at all. The wheels will stay correctly centered after proper tightening of the lug nuts, no matter how you drive.

I also have no problems.
22" TSW Montage chrome :smoker:
 
#30 · (Edited)
Artman said:
If the bolt pattern is 5x114,3 and you have a strong metal hub centering ring, you will not have any problems, because the centering of the wheels is not bolt-related at all. The wheels will stay correctly centered after proper tightening of the lug nuts, no matter how you drive.

I also have no problems.
22" TSW Montage chrome :smoker:
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My 4 decades of performance driving lead me to disagree with your claim. The center hub was never engineered to center the wheels. A slight error of even a millimeter there multiplies as it moves out from the hub. The lugs are designed to center the wheel and hold it firmly in position. The wheel must line up perfectly on the lugs. 114.3 mm wheels do not line up on 115 mm lugs.

Hub centering rings are not the right way to solve the problem. Once vibration starts, it almost always gets worse.

Many years ago, I felt the right front wheel and tire vibrate violently then roll down the road ahead of my car as I rapidly descended a hill on a busy 2 lane black top. Soon the right front of my vehicle dipped, throwing my car into the path of a large Semi 18 wheeler. By the grace of God, I hit the opposite shoulder and eased into a ditch - a fraction of a second before the truck barrelled by.

Why did the wheel come off? I had oversized the wheels with mismatched rims and one wheel vibrated loose. No part of the car takes more stress than where the wheels are bolted to the lugs.
 
#31 ·
Correct bolt pattern for 300C and Magnum

I can tell you unequivocally that the bolt pattern for both the 300C and the Magnum is 5x115. Keep in mind that with the extraordinary quality that Chrysler is putting into the suspensions of these vehicles, any aftermarket wheels that you purchase should be hub centric to the vehicle or it will translate directly to the steering wheel in the form of a vibration. A huge problem with a lot of cast or other than Forged wheel companies today is, the fact that they build one wheel to accommodate several vehicles so what they do is, drill the center bore of the wheel to the largest diameter they can to fit as many vehicles as they can.

The offset of the wheel can always vary a couple of millimeters and is in most cases, a matter of opinion if you want the wheels more towards the fender or more to the inside of the vehicle.
 
#32 ·
Northern Rider said:
My 4 decades of performance driving lead me to disagree with your claim. The center hub was never engineered to center the wheels. A slight error of even a millimeter there multiplies as it moves out from the hub. The lugs are designed to center the wheel and hold it firmly in position. The wheel must line up perfectly on the lugs. 114.3 mm wheels do not line up on 115 mm lugs.
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Good story NR. (I mean it's not like it's a big deal if your wheel comes off right?) Diablo makes a primary size of 114.3, but they also drill out some of their wheels to 115, because they know size does matter! Why take a chance, even if it's miniscule?
 
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#34 ·
DirtyRice said:
ok ok now on my maxima i have a 114.3 bolt pattern do yall think i can fit 115 bolt pattern on it, i really like those stock chrome 18's
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Nope! The RWD offset is to low (the rim will stick out) and the most important part is the hub size. If the wheel is not hub centric you are asking for a disaster.
 
#35 ·
LB44 said:
J,
The wheels that I have are 114.3 x 5 and are a 12 offset. They only had these wheels to fit a non srt model, so I got them. We put a 7mm spacer, which is hub-centric, on the fronts so they would clear the large brakes. I don't have any problems with shaking or anything. Hope this helps.
LB
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I looked erywhere n tryed 2 find 22" wheels for my tiburon with a 5x114.3 bolt patter can't find nothin they all six lugs n diff bolt patter i'm goign crrazy can any one help me it would be great if i could find 22"x7.5 if they widder I don't care just as long as they are 5x114.3
 
#39 ·
Gang,

In reading through the posts discussing this question I may have missed what I am about to say. But, does anyone have any idea what .7mm amounts to. What it amounts to is .0275509055 inches. That is a little more than 3/128 of an inch when you look at a common tape measure. Plus that is across the diameter. In other words that’s from one side of the bolt circle center line to the other side. So that is about .013 of an inch per side. If you mount the 114.3 wheels on your ride and do the star pattern like you should when you tighten them, you'll never notice the difference. The wheels will tighten on center like they should. The OEM hardly has tolerances this close. Flame suit is now on.
 
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